I'm not a player, but I have devoted a large portion of my time to the art
of seduction.  I have read many books, I dress cool, have many girlfriends
and believe to be rather charming at times.  However, I feel very much alone
in this art.  My friends do not enjoy the 'chase' at all.  I attempt to
advise them on the reasoning behind the techniques but they just freeze up.
I had a tough time going to grips that I am what I just said I am.  Why?
Well, saying you are one will not increase your chances of getting a woman
attracted to you.  Truth is though, I have had sex with 56 girls so far
(well less, but I include oral sex and other such pleasures as sexual - you
know, if you don't have condoms you can always find other ways to please
eachother) and many have been beautiful.  I mean 10s!  I am very good at
what I do.  With the risk of sounding arrogant, I am the best pick-up artist
I've ever met :)  It IS an art.  I worked very hard to get good.  There are
many RULES I may drop here on NG.  Please take them only as considerations.
They are MY RULES and they have helped me greatly.

My point?  I wish I knew other men like myself who enjoy picking up women.
For the sport.  I enjoy friendly challenges but my friends have all conceded
defeat.  They enjoy coming out with me for the entertainment value but when
they have the opportunity to approach a woman, they freeze up.  Its not all
that fun.  I enjoy their company but cannot LEARN from them.  I honestly
feel like I am a MASTER at this ... not because I can get any woman (that is
not possible when so many variables are outside of my influence) but because
the seduction is so controlled and smooth (not sleezy but rather natural).
I have considered writing a book on it.  Thing is, I have made notes on my
girls issues on a computer scheduler after every time I went out and I built
up a good outline to say the least.  My 'approach' for the book would be
different than the other books in that there is a natural FLOW that takes
place.  I wrote the stuff more for ME, so I really dont have an interest in
writing a book for others.  I will however, impart some minor pearls of
wisdom from time to time here.  I hope I may converse with other artists who
truly enjoy the game.

It is a very simple system really:

1.  find
2.  meet
3.  attract
4.  close

Say it with me, find, meet, attract, close.  Find, meet, attract, close.

The details and subtilties however are the meat of the system.

Mystery

'Finding' issues include, increasing your chance of meeting beautiful women,
available women, a high enough ratio of women in a given area to increase
your statistical chances of the successes (RULE: the more doors you knock on
the more will open.)

My #1 annoyance is when I decide to go out and play the GAME, I know that
the Game lasts roughly 4 hours a session.  Say, a club from 10pm to 2am.  It
annoys me when I have to waste that valuable time parking the car or waiting
in line or having to deal with my friends behaving strangely.

RULE: Plan your stretegy for FINDING women.  Know exactly where you intend
to go.  Know your city.  Know the day.  Minimize waste of time by getting
there a bit early to you can settle in.

RULE: never buy a girl a drink.  This makes you seem like every other guy.
She may however buy YOU a drink.  I get on average 2 or 3 drinks bought for
me in a given 4 hour session.

RULE: never drink alcohol when playing the game.  Alcohol does NOT loosen
you up.  If you believe that, you are weak.  It is an excuse to alter your
feeling of 'fear'.  You decrease your statistical chances of success.  Sober
people have more reaction time with which to process information.  "EG: 2
girls, 1 guy ... sitting at a table, guy is sitting closer to the one you
want .... what do you do?"  When you are drunk, you can't process complex
chess game scenarios like this.  ANSWER BTW is actually an easy one here:
Approach the other girl.  Why.  She is an obstacle to the other girl.  If
the other girl IS single, then the 'friend' must approve of your first.  Do
not HIT on her of course.  NEVER hit on a girl actually.  Why.  Because you
may have theoretically assessed the situation wrong and the less goodlooking
girl may be going out with the guy.  BE attractive but dont hit on anyone.
Talk to them and exude charm and confidence and humour and allow her to the
opportunity to use her inate powers of seduction on you.  Talk to the guy
too.  Now that you have this girl laughing (although you are not sowing
DIRECT interest through any form of sexual enuendo) talk to the guy.  Make
the guy your friend.  See, from his point of view, you are just a cool guy.
You are charming and funny and have much to say about his areas of interest.
NOW, from the grls point of view, this guy thinks you are cool so you have
HIS approval.  the friend gave you her approval through laughter.  And in
the process you found out by asking "So, how do you all know eachother, from
work?", all the details you needed to know.  If she is in fact free for the
taking, you disarmed the potential bombs already.  By this time, the others
are paying attention to you so the girl you secretly want will begin to feel
neglected.  Depending on her rating you begin the attack.  (8s and under are
played out differently than 9+s ... two entirely different strategies.

8s like the attention you give them.  9+s are so used to this attention you
must give them 3 negative hits first like "Those are very nice nails you
have, are they real?"  When she admits they arent (most 9+s have fake nails)
you say, "oh.  well they're still nice" and then turn away.  See what
happens in their mind is this:  "Most guys think Im the bomb.  Im used to
that.  But this guy doesnt think that.  I must have screwed up my first
impression image.  No worries, Ill just fix that."  She now thinks that she
can bat her eyes and fix the little smear in her image.  You weren't an
asshole about it, you just showed her you noticed a flaw but were polite
about it.  She will try to impress you now.  She is chasing you.  Do it
again; another negative hit.  "Ha!  Your nose moves when you talk.  Its so
funny.  No, really, its so cute. Ha ha."  9s and 10s don't GET treated this
way.  HOW?  Like a normal friend.  Like someone you can joke around with.
Thats all they want.  To be accepted and this is what you are doing.  But
she is now even more into fixing the not-so-pristine image she is used to
having.  So she tries to solve this little issue.  And what happens while
she's busy solving the issue?  Shes talking to you.  Conversing.  She's
interested in making you like HER.

You can NEVER ask a 10 for her #.  Why?  Because EVERY GUY in the wolrd and
his FATHER asks.  You are different.  You say, "Well, It was really nice
meeting you."  As you start walking away, you then say, "For an outgoing
girl, you are pretty shy afterall."  If she is interested in your by now,
she will say, "Why?"  This is the beginning to flirting.  You say, "because
I'm leaving silly. :)"  This word 'silly' is NEVER used in front of a 9 or
10 from a stranger. so this shows your confidence and coyness ... AND, this
is the third negative HIT.  Notice none of these NEG HITS are really BAD.
They are just not the usual flattery they get from guys.  You are now
waiting for her to say something - just staring at her.  She is on the spot.
She is a 10 and she knows it.  She has an ego.  You never really HIT on her.
You were coy.  You were about to leave without asking her for her #.  She
KNOWS you arent like the rest.  You MUST have girls chasing you from the
attitude you are displaying.  If she doesn't say anything ... with regards
to her giving you her phone #, say, "Yep.  You're shy." and walk away with a
smile.  However, this isnt likely because she has an ego.  In this case you
have played on her ego to actually WANT to make you LIKE her and she will
now be open to getting together again. See, being on the spot, she has to
come up with something very smooth to say to keep her EGO bloated.  She is
now having to prove her social abilities to you.  She is trying to impress
you still anyway.  Anything she says will come out flirtatiously but you
accept it with OPEN ARMS baby.  She wants to SHOW you she isnt SHY so she
will be BOLD and ask for YOUR #.  When she does, say ... "no ... but we can
exchange #s.  Fair?"

RULE: NEVER give your # to a girl.  If you get around to asking for her #
and she says, "Ill call you" just say, "no, Ill call you."  If she doesnt
give her #, she wouldnt call you anyway so just say, "Nice meeting you" and
leave.  After a girl DOES girl her # to you, you may then write yours for
her as you say, "We'll trade ... fair?"  She will smile and say, "fair."

"Nice meeting you."
"Nice meeting YOU."
"I'll call you this weekend."
bye

You have just picked up a 10!  And SHE chased YOU!  And you made her ask for
YOUR #.  You were hard to catch.  She wont forget THAT.  You arent an easy
guy.  You arent like the others.  You were a challenge.  But she finally
WON.  Well, hopefully, she still has to call you now!

now when you are on the phone with her, you say "You know, you dropped
something when we were last together."  She says, "what?"  You say, "Your
conversation with me ... where did we leave off?"

She will um and ah and you say, "Oh yes, we were flirting with eachother. "

Yes Im babbling.

Mystery

PS: the scenario I just told happened to me several times exactly as is ...
in fact I swear to 2 days ago this happened.  The girl was a 10!  TV quality
and single-handedly the best looking girl in the club.  On the block!
Secretly, though I showed this coyness and reserve, inside I'm thinking, "OH
GOD! oh god oh god oh god!"  I hid it well.  I have her #.  She will
hopefully call me on saturady.  If not, Ill wait til sunday to call her.

I am dying to hear all about the subtitles of your system.  Please begin with
the pearl dispensing ASAP.

Venus

You remind me of Jack Nicholson in "Carnal Knowledge"

Is this woman actually a friend of yours?  Or did you just get this pic from a
photo disc?  If she's a friend, who's the photographer?  It's a very nice image.

Venus

Honest guys, I wouldnt be a geek and PRETEND to be a pick-up artist here.  I
wouldnt waste my time.  I would chat on IRC and try to get girls that way.
(actually I met a girl off the net once and she came and stayed with me for
10 days - that is a whole other story.  She was 18 years old, asian, and so
damned cute.  I have pics somewhere.  We had a blast.)

Im the real thing.  Im in fact looking for other guys who are like me.  I
want the motivation.  I need to find someone BETTER than me so I can catch
up.  I already learned stuff from www.seduction.com which was very
enlightening.  I feel like I could challenge even the TOP SS guys.  I want
to be proven wrong, you know?  It not an outward challenge so much as it is
to myself.  I need a reference to see HOW GOOD is GOOD.  I think Im very
good, but maybe someone out there is 10 times better, in which case I would
know I could be better than I am.

This stuff is not about envy or cock fights or such.  My lifestyle is just
matter-of-fact for me and I wish to converse with people who have a similar
life-style.  I dont smoke, drink or take drugs, I never yell or get really
angry, I never yell at women, I never treat women badly (though I enjoy
toying with them so that they end up chasing ME) and I am very much into
philosophy.  I am a humanist and therefore very logical and down to earth.
I enjoy computers (but I dont talk about that to girls) and I LOVE WOMEN.
More than just sex too.  The hunt, the catch, the ego fulfillment, the
breasts, the body, the ass, the legs, the neck, the skin, the hair and
especially the face.  And the adventure, the exploration of another mind,
another life.  The game is a journey.  Its awesome.  Im going out tonight.
I went out Wed nite and got only one # - but it was the one I WANTED.  She
was a 10 man, swer.  I will devote MUCH time to her if I may.  Shes 22 and
going to university to be a lawyer.  Should be a model.  If I get a chance
to get a pic, Ill post it.

I think this all stemmed from a low self-esteem as a kid.  As a teen I never
had any luck so I just snapped one day and promised Im become a master at
the art.  Am I a master?  Well, I FEEL like one, though Im sure thats only
because I dont have a reference to what GOOD could really mean.  Playing the
game makes me feel good.  Its not about a one day thing.  Its statistics and
probabilities.  The more doors you knock on the more will open.  I fail more
than I succeed, but when I DO succeed, I fucking SUCCEED.  I have been
striving for 10s now for the last year and a half.  Before that, 8s.  There
are 3 TYPES of WOMEN, each must be treated differently.  You must accurately
assess their rating:

TYPE C: girls who are 7.4s and below - what to do?  avoid them.  They are
ugly!

TYPE B: 7.5 and 8 all the way to 8.9: they are pretty but the know they
arent MOVIE or TV quality.

TYPE A: 9s to10s: these girls seem to be the hardest.  But they arent.  they
are just DIFFERENT.  A dif approach is needed.  You must give them 3 NEG
HITS first.  Things like, "Oh those are very nice nails ... are they real?"
When she says no, say "oh.  well ... they're STILL nice :)"  Its a put down
without putting her down.  Read another post of mine about that.

I suggest getting good at internal fear stuff by chasing Cs.  WHY?  Because
you dont have to have sex with them, you can just be friends and use them to
learn about women from.  Going out and having girls already around you
increases your probabilities 10 fold.

Type Bs are fun.  They are numberous enough to enjoy greatly.  They are very
attractive but arent the TV model type.  thats ok because they are very NICE
girls.  HEATHER.jpg (an ex of mine) I would rate an 8.5 - when I first met
her, I guess she was a 9.2 but time lowers the rating a bit.  I heard she
gained a few on her butt - what a shame (shrug).

In no way do I intend on bragging.  I'm really not about that in real life.

If I were to say to a group of people who were carless, that I was going to
drive somewhere, I would APPEAR to be bragging.  Its all relativity.  So
when I say I have to visit my 3rd girlfriend, it comes out just matter of
factly.  there is never an intention to make people feel bad.  Look at it
like motivation to ... get a car.  Dont think, 'BASTARD is showing off his
CAR again *grumble*.'

Im not the greatest of ALL-TIME.  FUCK, who knows, maybe I AM!  I just dont
have a reference.  How good IS good?  I dont know.  All I can do is be
honest about how good or bad Im doing and let you guys judge.  Im not out to
be a guru here.  I dont really want to help guys who are completely
clueless.  I wish to impart knowledge to those who are ALREADY artists.  The
exchange of subtlities is what Im looking for.

If someone actually finds my posts BRAGGING and not simply matter-of-fact,
Im posting to the wrong people.  This IS alt.seduction.fast and Im one of
those guys.  When NEWBIES come in they WILL find the matter of fact talk to
look like bragging.  You'll catch on soon enough.  This is the only place I
can talk about the reality of it.  I cant tell girls about my exploits nor
my friends because, well, its bragging to them, isnt it?  HERE though, I can
be honest and people can be honest back.

READ: The selfish gene by richard dawkins

READ: The Machiavelian Guide to Womanizing - great fucking book

READ: How to pick-up beautiful women without really trying - great

NOW, tonight is a SAT night.  Get out there.  TRY and fail and tell me what
happened.  Plan it.  Think about WHERE they are.  FIND.  Then work tonight
on MEET phase.  MEET the MEAT (ouch *smile*)  Approach and say Hi.  Then
talk about how elvis died his hair black and his hair was naturally blond
and how that just seems weird to you.  Then it she doesnt join in the
conversation, say, "well, nice meeting you" and walk off with a smile.  No
harm done is chatting about elvis.  NEVER give a line.  NEVER show signs of
your HITTING on her.  Make her guess.  If she starts talking, use a small
NEG HIT.  If she has gorgeous long hair (and Its fair to say that it MAY be
an extention) then say, "Very nice hair.  Is it REAL? :)"  Be honest in
saying this.  She will say no and you will say, "oh.  Well its STILL very
nice. :)"  You are actually NOT hitting on her.  You are making her feel
subconsious and therefore thinking about how she can change your impression
of her.  She will TRY to impress you.  But you are so matter of fact that
she finds it difficult.  Stay playful.  If she isnt, be like Rhett Butler:
The girl says, "You sir are no GENTLEMAN!!" And he says with a smile "And
you mamm are no LADY :)"  So be playful and confident at the same time.

GO OUT TONIGHT.  Get #s!  Go for 4 of them tonight.  Thats about 1 an hour.
How hard is that?  You have an hour to meet 3 women and do it up.  ONE out
of 3 should give like you if you act like RHETT.  Thats only 12 girls to
chat with.  Not rocket science.  The first is hard the rest get easy for the
day.  Tell me HOW many girls you chatted with.  If you say, only 2 and didnt
get any #s then we know where your problem lies already.  If there werent
girls WORTHY of getting you went to the wrong place.  So much for the use of
you intellect.  If you didnt go for 7s and 8s, you fucked up.  They were
practice for you ... they could have FRIENDS that YOU DO LIKE.  They could
be friends and join you in your future days of hunting, see being around
women attracts women.  EG:  One guy standing with 3 girls who know him.
They may not be HOT girls, but they like him and laugh with him.  Then
there's another guy who is surrounded by 3 guys.  See the difference in
impression?  Clothes make the man, but ladies make ... the ladies-man.

GO, stop reading, go get ready for tonight!

I myself believe I am a pick up artist (so to speak) you're ideas are very well
thought out and seemingly experience has taken its toll for the better.  Very
enlightening i must say.  As a matter of fact..i myself (for the past 2 nights)
went out "looking" to pick up some people.  Allthough my approach is very
different from yorus.  I must say that I had 5 people (women AND men...get
that..LOL) approach ME and not only did they want to exchange numbers..but they
were ready and willing to take me home right there...one women i must tell you
about.. She was i'd say a 7...so i really wasnt trying for her...BUT...i was
dancing next to her..next thing i know..she pushes the guy she is ALLREADY
dancing with AWAY from her..and turns to me with open arms..(now mind you i
haven't said a thing..simply observed her) and she then pulled me against
her...without saying a word..just by exchanging glances we started kissing..I
did not plan on taking it any further then the club...but i was having fun.. We
started grinding...HARD right there on the dance floor..making out like
crazy...then the only thing she said to me...after we stopped making out and a
slower beat song came on..she said "your gorgeous." I smiled..said thank
you..and I walked away to get something to drink..It was a wild night...then
just last night i had 3 women..and 1 guy try to pick Me up..the kicker was...2
of the girls were SISTERS! ..I had one on my lap and the other one sitting next
to me.  They kept asking me to go to this party with them...i kept joking and
playing saying..well don't sisters SHARE? i had a lot of fun..and i think with
a lil persuasion from my part and lil playing of the game..i could have very
well had both of them that same night...with smiles all around...I also have a
date now for next tuesday...10 pm...going out to a bar...now for tonight...well
its saturday like you said..and another girl asked me to HER party last
night..so i'm going to go...lets just say its in the bag...now then...like i
said my techniques are completely different from yours...which leads me to my
point.....
(i know it took a while to get to :>)

No matter WHAT methods or "techniques" you use...its all mainly a matter of
which one is most comfortable and efficent for you.  There are those men (like
yourself and me) who have developed their own "techniques" that work very
well..and then there are those men (the SS'rs etc..) that use previously
thought out methods...that work good for them..and hundreds of other men...i
think...we all take it as an art...its just a matter of what..what makes you
feel comfortable...confident...and good at what you do?...THAT is the main key
to success :>

just my thoughts..and experiences :>

TC
The Shadowman
"TC"

Great post!  What about steps 2,3, and 4?

Ron